
美国总统唐纳德·特朗普表示,美国选民对以色列日益增长的厌恶情绪是共和党在中期选举中惨败的主要原因之一,此外还有与伊朗的战争以及汽油价格上涨。
US President Donald Trump said that growing dislike of Israel among American voters was one of the main reasons for the Republican Party's sweeping defeat in the midterm elections, alongside the war with Iran and rising gasoline prices.
在周五于白宫接受哥伦比亚广播公司《60分钟》节目记者罗斯·杜萨特的深度专访中,特朗普对选举结果做出了迄今为止最详细的公开评估,该专访定于周日播出。选举结果导致共和党失去了参众两院的控制权。
In an extensive interview with CBS's 60 Minutes, conducted by correspondent Ross Douthat at the White House on Friday and scheduled to air Sunday, Trump offered his most detailed public assessment yet of the election results, which cost Republicans control of both chambers of Congress.
当被问及为何失败时,特朗普坚称个人声望依然强劲,并暗示共和党候选人未能将他对他们的支持转化为选票。
“首先,我并不在选票上。但我为一些人努力助选了。我认为如果我在选票上,情况会截然不同,”特朗普说。
Asked to explain the defeat, Trump insisted that his personal popularity remained strong and suggested that Republican candidates had failed to translate his support into votes.“Well, number one, I was not on the ballot. But I campaigned hard for some people. And I think if I was on the ballot, it would have been a much different situation,” Trump said.
总统指出了他竞选集会上庞大的人群,但也承认其他因素影响了选民。
“但还有超出这一点的东西。他们不喜欢战争。他们不喜欢汽油价格上涨,”他说。
The president pointed to the large crowds at his campaign rallies but acknowledged that other factors had influenced voters.“But there's something beyond that. They didn't like the war. They didn't like the fact that gasoline went up,” he said.
特朗普辩称,与伊朗的战争推高了燃油价格,同时他坚持认为阻止德黑兰获得核武器仍然至关重要。“因为我认为大家都同意伊朗不能拥有核武器,”他说。特朗普称美国人“对以色列极度厌恶”“而且他们永远不会拥有核武器。他们不会拥有那个。而且令人难以置信的是,对以色列存在极大的厌恶。”
Trump argued that the war with Iran had driven fuel prices higher, even as he maintained that preventing Tehran from acquiring nuclear weapons remained essential.“Because I think everyone agrees that Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon,” he said. Trump says Americans have 'great dislike for Israel'“And they will never have a nuclear weapon. They won't have that. And there's a great dislike, incredibly, for Israel.”
特朗普继续说道:“似乎存在对以色列的厌恶。所以你有这个因素。你有战争本身。你有汽油价格。”
Trump continued: “There seems to be a dislike for Israel. So you have that. You have the war itself. You have the gas prices. And I think those are the primary reasons.”
我认为那些是主要原因。”总统没有具体说明他认为选民中的哪些群体对以色列产生了负面态度,也没有引用民调数据来支持这一判断。他还承认,他的“让美国再次伟大”运动历来反对美国卷入外国战争。“MAGA,我一直希望避免战争,”特朗普说,并辩称他的政府成功结束了几场国际冲突。特朗普谈万斯的批评:“我不反对”特朗普还被问及副总统JD·万斯对中期选举失利的有争议评估,万斯在其中辩称伊朗战争疏远了选民,并谈到了政府与以色列的关系。
The president did not specify which segments of the electorate he believed had developed negative attitudes toward Israel, nor did he cite polling data supporting that assessment. He also acknowledged that his Make America Great Again movement had traditionally opposed American involvement in foreign wars.“MAGA, and I always want to keep out of wars,” Trump said, arguing that his administration had successfully ended several international conflicts. Trump on Vance's criticism: 'I don't disagree with it'Trump was also asked about Vice President JD Vance's controversial assessment of the midterm defeat, in which Vance argued that the Iran war had alienated voters and addressed the administration's relationship with Israel.“I don't disagree with it,” Trump replied.
“我不反对,”特朗普回答。总统透露,万斯在发表声明前曾征求过他的意见。“他问我,你怎么看?我说,你写你的感受,”特朗普回忆道。然而,特朗普表示,副总统遗漏了他认为的核心问题:对伊朗发动军事行动最终是否是正确的决定。“我希望他当时能说的一点是,如果他有这种感觉的话,你得问他。但如果重来一次,你还会这么做吗?”特朗普说。
The president revealed that Vance had consulted him before publishing his statement.“He asked me, what do I think? I said, you write what you feel,” Trump recalled. However, Trump said the vice president had omitted what he considered the central question: whether launching the military campaign against Iran had ultimately been the right decision.“The one thing I wish he would've said there, if he felt it, and you'd have to ask him about that. But if you had it to do again, would you do it?”
“我的回答是坚决的是的,因为你不能让伊朗拥有核武器。”特朗普承认,这一决定可能在短期内对共和党在政治上造成损害,但坚持认为最终会被证明是正确的。“我认为从历史上看,这将是一个非常好的决定。对今天和明天来说是个好决定吗?
Trump said.“My answer is an emphatic yes, because you can't let Iran have a nuclear weapon.”Trump acknowledged that the decision might have damaged Republicans politically in the short term, but insisted it would ultimately be vindicated.“I think historically, this will be a very good decision. Is it a good decision for today and tomorrow? Maybe not, but I would, you know, I have to go with what's right for our country.”
也许不会,但我会,你知道,我必须做对我们国家正确的事。”总统辩称,未能阻止伊朗获得核武器,对他总统任期的损害将远大于共和党在选举中的失利。特朗普称伊朗在选举前曾接近达成协议在采访中最重要的披露之一里,特朗普声称,在周二的中期选举前,华盛顿和德黑兰曾接近达成协议。
“他们想在选举前达成协议,”他说。“但我们曾接近达成协议。如果没有这次选举,我们甚至可能已经达成了协议,或者在未来几天内就会达成协议。”
The president argued that failing to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons would have been far more damaging to his presidency than the Republican election losses. Trump claims Iran was close to a deal before the electionIn one of the interview's most significant disclosures, Trump claimed that Washington and Tehran had been close to reaching an agreement before Tuesday's midterm elections.“They wanted to make a deal just before the election,” he said.“But we were close to making a deal. If we didn't have this election, we might've even had, or within the next few days, we would've had a deal.”
特朗普暗示,民主党获胜让伊朗谈判代表认为他们能争取到更好的条件。“如果不是这次选举,我们本会达成协议,”他说。尽管如此,他表示有信心最终会达成协议。当被问及中期选举结束后是否打算升级冲突时,特朗普说没有。“我不打算。我认为没有任何理由。”
Trump suggested that the Democratic victories had encouraged Iranian negotiators to believe they could secure better terms.“We would've had a deal, except for this election,” he said. Nevertheless, he expressed confidence that an agreement would eventually be reached. Asked whether he intended to escalate the conflict now that the midterms were over, Trump said he did not.“I'm not looking to. I don't think there's any reason to.”
总统反复坚称,美国已经赢得了战争,伊朗正面临越来越大的压力。
The president repeatedly insisted that the United States had already won the war and that Iran was facing mounting pressure.“That war has been won. Now they're withering away as a country and they'll come and they'll make a deal,” he said.'
“那场战争已经赢了。现在他们作为一个国家正在枯萎,他们会来,他们会达成协议,”他说。“没有我们,以色列就不会存在”特朗普还对美国打击伊朗核设施进行了有力辩护,辩称这防止了以色列的毁灭。
Without us, Israel wouldn't exist'Trump also delivered an emphatic defense of the American strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities, arguing that they had prevented the destruction of Israel.
当被问及伊朗是否可能仍拥有核材料时,特朗普否定了其可能构成直接威胁的可能性。“它们什么都没有。“它被埋在数千吨岩石之下,”他说。
Asked whether Iran might still possess nuclear material, Trump dismissed the possibility that it could pose an immediate threat.“They have nothing. It's buried under thousands of tons of rock,” he said.
总统声称,美国先进的监视系统正在监控美军打击的三个核设施,以及被称为“镐山”的地下设施。
“我们监视着每一个这样的设施,那三个我们炸毁的,还有镐山,”他说。
The president claimed that sophisticated American surveillance systems were monitoring the three nuclear sites struck by US forces, as well as the underground facility known as Pickaxe Mountain.“We watch every one of those sites, the three that we blew up, and also Pickaxe Mountain,” he said.
特朗普承认对镐山内部剩余情况存在不确定性,但表示如果必要,美国可以迅速打击该设施。
“如果我们需要对付镐山,而目前我们不需要,我们会在一小时内完成。”
Trump acknowledged uncertainty about what remained at Pickaxe Mountain but said the United States could strike the facility rapidly if necessary.“If we needed to do Pickaxe, which we don't at this moment, we would have that done in one hour.”
总统还谈到了美军持续在霍尔木兹海峡周边的军事存在,辩称这使得石油运输得以恢复。他声称受美国保护的国家最终将向华盛顿偿还战争费用。
“在这整件事结束时,那些我们保护过的国家将偿还我们为战争承担的任何和所有费用,”特朗普说。“我们要把所有钱都拿回来。”
The president also addressed the continuing American military presence around the Strait of Hormuz, arguing that it had allowed oil shipments to resume. He claimed that countries protected by the United States would ultimately reimburse Washington for the costs of the war.“At the end of this whole thing, those countries that we've protected are going to pay us back any and all costs that we've had for the war,” Trump said.“We're gonna get all that money back.”
他接着补充道:“因为没有我们,它们就不会存在。没有我们,以色列就不会存在。”
He then added: “Because without us, they wouldn't exist. Without us, Israel wouldn't exist.”
当被问及是否后悔帮助以色列实施针对伊朗领导层的打击时,特朗普为这一决定辩护,称这是长期消除核威胁所必需的。
“我想要的是长期效果,而不是短期效果。我们斩首了他们的核武库,”他说。“如果我不这么做,现在就不会有以色列了。”
Asked whether he regretted helping Israel carry out strikes targeting Iran's leadership, Trump defended the decision as necessary to eliminate the nuclear threat for the long term.“I want to have it for the long term, not for the short term. We decapitated their nuclear arsenal,” he said.“If I didn't do that, there would be no Israel right now. Israel would be gone.”
以色列将不复存在。”特朗普进一步宣称,如果伊朗获得核武器,几乎会立即使用。“他们会在24小时内使用核武器,”他说。总统关于伊朗剩余核能力、美军打击成效以及德黑兰意图的断言,并未附带新的可独立核实的情报评估。特朗普承认驱逐政策“过于严厉”除了外交政策,特朗普还对其政府的移民打击行动做出了引人注目的承认,承认大规模驱逐行动可能走得太远,在政治上损害了共和党。
Trump went further, claiming that Iran would use nuclear weapons almost immediately if it obtained them.“They would use a nuclear weapon in 24 hours,” he said. The president's assertions about Iran's remaining nuclear capabilities, the effectiveness of American strikes and Tehran's intentions were not accompanied by new independently verifiable intelligence assessments. Trump admits deportation policy was 'too tough'Beyond foreign policy, Trump made a striking acknowledgment about his administration's immigration crackdown, conceding that the mass deportation campaign may have gone too far and hurt Republicans politically.

当被问及该政策是否导致了该党的选举失利时,特朗普辩称关闭南部边境是一项重大成功,但承认驱逐在美国工作多年的无证移民造成了政治问题。“我们还带走了那些有好工作、只犯了一次违法行为的人,那次违法就是他们非法入境,”特朗普说。他指出,许多美国人认为,如果长期无证工作者是其社区的富有成效的成员,应该被允许留下。
Asked whether the policy had contributed to the party's electoral defeat, Trump argued that closing the southern border had been a major success, but acknowledged that removing undocumented immigrants who had worked in the United States for years had created political problems.“We also took people that had good jobs, that created one violation were breaking of the law, and that was that they came into the country illegally,” Trump said. He noted that many Americans believed long-term undocumented workers should be allowed to remain if they were productive members of their communities.
当被直接问及其驱逐政策是否走得太远时,特朗普回答:“我认为太严厉了。”“我认为可能太严厉了,是的。”
Asked directly whether his deportation policy had gone too far, Trump replied: “I think it was too tough.”“I think it might be too tough, yeah. And a lot of people would say that it's great, but a lot of people think it's too tough,” he added.
“很多人会说这很棒,但也有很多人觉得太严厉了,”他补充道。特朗普暗示,他可能与民主党达成协议,允许某些无证工人——包括在酒店、园林绿化及其他行业就业的人员——留在美国。他说,一些民主党人已经就可能的合作与他取得了联系。当被问及如果达成协议需要他六个月不侮辱民主党议员,他能否做到时,特朗普回答:“非常容易。”
Trump suggested that he could reach an agreement with Democrats to allow certain undocumented workers, including those employed in hotels, landscaping and other industries, to remain in the country. He said some Democrats had already contacted him about possible cooperation. Asked whether he could refrain from insulting Democratic lawmakers for six months if doing so were necessary to reach an agreement, Trump responded: “Very easily.”
这些言论代表了特朗普罕见地承认,政府的一项标志性政策引发了政治反弹。特朗普将经济不满归咎于信息传递不善和媒体特朗普还回应了选民对经济的不满,尽管他形容经济指标异常强劲。当被问及为何美国人对生活成本、通胀和工资仍感到不满时,特朗普暗示其政府未能有效传达其成就。“我认为是信息传递不好,也许是我的问题,”他说。
The remarks represented an unusual acknowledgment by Trump that one of the administration's signature policies had generated political backlash. Trump blames poor messaging and the media for economic dissatisfactionTrump also addressed voters' dissatisfaction with the economy despite what he described as exceptionally strong economic indicators. Asked why Americans remained unhappy about the cost of living, inflation and wages, Trump suggested that his administration had failed to communicate its achievements effectively.“I think it was bad messaging, maybe by me,” he said.
随后他批评媒体,指责新闻机构拒绝报道共和党政府执政下的积极经济进展。“看,媒体不报道,媒体不报道共和党的利好消息。他们不报道,当然更不报道我的利好消息。
He then criticized the media, accusing news organizations of refusing to report positive economic developments under Republican administrations.“Look, the press doesn't cover, the press doesn't cover positive news for Republicans. They don't cover, certainly, positive news for me. So I have to do it myself.”
“所以我必须亲自去做。”特朗普说,这是他在中期选举前举行如此多场竞选集会的原因之一。他声称,民主党获胜后,股市损失了约3万亿美元的价值,并将下跌归咎于投资者对即将上任的国会多数党的担忧。总统还强调了显示新增16.5万个就业岗位的就业数据,辩称这些数字大幅超出预期。他惋惜这些数据是在选举后而非选前发布的。
Trump said that was one of the reasons he had held so many campaign rallies before the midterms. He claimed that the stock market had lost approximately $3 trillion in value following the Democratic victories and blamed the decline on investors' concerns about the incoming congressional majorities. The president also highlighted employment figures showing 165,000 new jobs, arguing that the numbers had significantly exceeded expectations. He lamented that the figures had been released after the elections rather than before them.
特朗普暗示,随着制造业、能源及其他行业的投资产生切实成果,选民将在未来几个月开始认可政府的经济成就。特朗普暗示可能进行人事调整,为赫格塞斯辩护当被问及共和党失利后是否计划解职政府官员时,特朗普承认可能会有变动。“有一点,”他说。“我喜欢我的内阁。我认为他们不错,但我可能会做一些调整。”
Trump suggested that voters would begin to recognize the administration's economic achievements over the coming months as investments in manufacturing, energy and other industries produced tangible results. Trump signals possible personnel changes, defends HegsethAsked whether he planned to dismiss administration officials following the Republican defeat, Trump acknowledged that changes were possible.“A little bit,” he said.“I love my cabinet. I think they're good, but I'll be doing maybe a few changes.”
总统拒绝透露可能离职的官员姓名。当被具体问及是否仍对国防部长皮特·赫格塞斯有信心——议员们曾讨论过其可能被弹劾——特朗普给予肯定回答。“我有信心。看,我们赢了两场战争,”他说,指的是美国在委内瑞拉和伊朗的军事行动。特朗普将他所说的针对委内瑞拉政府的成功战役归功于军方,并声称伊朗的海军和空军能力已被摧毁。
The president declined to identify officials who might leave. When asked specifically whether he continued to have confidence in Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, whose possible impeachment has been discussed by lawmakers, Trump answered affirmatively.“I do. Look, we've won two wars,” he said, referring to American military operations in Venezuela and Iran. Trump credited the military with what he described as a successful campaign against the Venezuelan government and claimed that Iran's naval and air capabilities had been destroyed.
当被问及赫格塞斯个人是否应为委内瑞拉行动受到表彰时,特朗普给出了更为审慎的回答。“不,但他参与其中,”他说。“我表彰伟大的士兵、伟大的将军和伟大的装备。”特朗普尽管如此仍谴责弹劾国防部长的努力。“我们打了两场仗。全赢了。我们赢了委内瑞拉。”
Asked whether Hegseth personally deserved credit for the Venezuela operation, Trump offered a more qualified response.“No, but he was a part of it,” he said.“I credit great soldiers, great generals, and great equipment.”Trump nevertheless condemned the efforts to impeach the defense secretary.“We had two wars. We won both. We won Venezuela. We won Iran,” he said.“How do you impeach a guy that, we had two wars, we won them both?”
“我们赢了伊朗,”他说。“怎么弹劾一个家伙,我们打了两场仗,两场都赢了?”特朗普拒绝承诺支持万斯竞选2028年总统,盛赞鲁比奥总统还被问及共和党的未来,以及他是否打算在2028年总统大选中背书一位继任者。“很有可能,但不一定,”特朗普回答。
Trump declines to commit to Vance for 2028, praises RubioThe president was also questioned about the future of the Republican Party and whether he intended to endorse a successor in the 2028 presidential election.“Probably, not necessarily,” Trump replied.

被问及除副总统万斯以外的潜在候选人时,特朗普盛赞国务卿马尔科·鲁比奥。“鲁比奥很棒,”他说。
Asked about potential candidates other than Vice President Vance, Trump praised Secretary of State Marco Rubio.“Well, I think Marco's great,” he said.
特朗普表示预计鲁比奥将继续担任国务卿,形容他是一位热爱这份工作且表现出色的人。“他当然热爱这份工作,表现很棒,干得非常出色。”
Trump said he expected Rubio to remain secretary of state, describing him as someone who enjoyed the job and was performing well.“He certainly loves it, and he's doing great, he's doing a fantastic job.”
总统补充说,还有几位参议员和其他共和党人物可能成为潜在继任者。
The president added that several senators and other Republican figures could emerge as potential successors.
尽管他对自己政治支持力的威力充满信心,但他暗示最终可能决定不背书任何人。“也许我最好别插手,”他说。特朗普因家族商业利益和加密货币接受质询此次采访中最具对抗性的交锋之一,涉及特朗普的个人财富及其家族的商业活动。
He suggested that he might ultimately decide against endorsing anyone, despite his confidence in the power of his political support.“Maybe I'm better off not getting involved,” he said. Trump questioned over family business interests and cryptocurrencyOne of the interview's most confrontational exchanges concerned Trump's personal wealth and his family's business activities.
多哈特引用《福布斯》的一份报告,估计特朗普自重返白宫以来,净资产增加了约30亿美元。特朗普最初回应称,其他人也从股市上涨中获益。“早买股票就行了,”他对采访者说。
Douthat cited a Forbes report estimating that Trump's net worth had increased by approximately $3 billion since his return to the White House. Trump initially responded that others had also benefited from the stock market's rise.“Well, you should have had stock,” he told the interviewer.
被追问自己的财务收益时,特朗普称他几乎不花时间关注自己的净资产,他的儿子们在打理他的商业利益。“我有很多钱,远超我曾经想象的。我想它涨了。”“我不知道,”他说。
杜萨特询问特朗普关于“世界自由金融”的情况,这是一家加密货币公司,总统及其家人在其中拥有财务利益,包括与阿拉伯联合酋长国有关的投资。
Pressed on his own financial gains, Trump said he devoted almost no time to his net worth and that his sons managed his business interests.“I have a lot of money, and far more than I ever thought I'd have. And I guess it's gone up. I don't even know,” he said. Douthat questioned Trump about World Liberty Financial, the cryptocurrency company in which the president and his family have financial interests, including investments connected to the United Arab Emirates.
当被问及外国投资者是否可能试图通过该公司购买影响力时,特朗普表示他不知道,并辩称利益冲突在历届总统政府中很常见。
Asked whether foreign investors might be attempting to purchase influence through the company, Trump said he did not know and argued that conflicts of interest were common across presidential administrations.
他坚持认为,他的儿子们在经营家族企业,他无法合理地指望他们仅仅因为他是总统就停止工作。特朗普谈人工智能:“如果我们没有,中国就会拥有它”采访还涉及人工智能的快速扩张以及华盛顿与北京之间的竞争。
He maintained that his sons operated the family businesses and that he could not reasonably expect them to stop working simply because he was president. Trump on AI: 'If we don't have it, China's gonna have it'The interview also addressed the rapid expansion of artificial intelligence and competition between Washington and Beijing.
特朗普形容自己强烈支持这项技术,认为美国的领导地位对国家安全和经济繁荣至关重要。
“如果我们没有,中国就会拥有它,”他说。“那将使我们处于难以置信的劣势。”
Trump described himself as strongly supportive of the technology, arguing that American leadership was essential to national security and economic prosperity.“If we don't have it, China's gonna have it,” he said.“That would put us at an unbelievable disadvantage.”
特朗普表示,他认为关于先进人工智能危险的担忧被夸大了,尽管他承认需要一些保障措施。“我认为风险远没有他们所说的那么真实。他说:“我认为风险是可以控制的。”
Trump said he believed concerns about the dangers of advanced AI were exaggerated, although he acknowledged the need for some safeguards.“I think that the risk is not nearly as real as they talk. And I think the risk can be managed,” he said.
在一次罕见的披露中,特朗普声称他的政府曾以监禁相威胁一家大型人工智能公司的高级人物,理由是其行为未明。他未透露该人士的身份,但表示此威胁已导致其立即改变行为。
In an unusual disclosure, Trump claimed that his administration had threatened a senior figure at a major AI company with imprisonment over unspecified conduct. He refused to identify the individual but said the threat had prompted an immediate change in behavior.
总统坚持认为,美国必须在发展他更倾向称之为“超级智能”的领域保持领先于中国。特朗普谈乌克兰:“我们非常接近达成协议”在讨论俄罗斯与乌克兰持续的战争时,特朗普对外交协议即将达成表示乐观。他说:“我相信我们非常接近达成协议。”
The president maintained that the United States must remain ahead of China in developing what he prefers to call “superintelligence.”Trump on Ukraine: 'We're very close to making a deal'Discussing the continuing war between Russia and Ukraine, Trump expressed optimism that a diplomatic agreement could soon be reached.“I believe we're very close to making a deal,” he said.
总统把其中一个主要障碍归因于他所描述的俄罗斯总统弗拉基米尔·普京与乌克兰总统弗拉基米尔·泽连斯基之间的强烈个人敌意。被问及更信任哪位领袖时,特朗普没有直接回答。他说:“我宁可不说,但我和两位都相处得不错。”他声称美国的外交努力正接近突破。他说:“我相信这场战争会结束,而且很快就会结束。”
The president attributed one of the main obstacles to what he described as intense personal hostility between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. Asked which leader he trusted more, Trump declined to answer directly.“I'd rather not say, but I get along with both,” he replied. He claimed that American diplomatic efforts were approaching a breakthrough.“I believe that that war is going to end and it's gonna end soon. And the only reason it's gonna end is because of me.”
“结束的唯一原因就是因为我。”特朗普还为其政府对乌克兰军事援助的做法辩护,称欧洲国家现在正在为美国武器付费,而不是由美国纳税人承担费用获得武器。他说,华盛顿继续提供武器,但欧洲在为采购提供资金。被问及乌克兰部队使用的星链卫星系统据称出现中断一事,特朗普表示,他不知道是谁导致服务下降,但指出问题随后已得到解决。
Trump also defended his administration's approach to military assistance for Ukraine, arguing that European countries were now paying for American weapons rather than receiving them at US taxpayers' expense. He said Washington continued to supply the weapons but that Europe was financing the purchases. Asked about reported disruptions to the Starlink satellite system used by Ukrainian forces, Trump said he did not know who had been responsible for reducing service but indicated that the problem had subsequently been resolved.
特朗普谈赦免并拒绝原谅政敌在采访接近尾声时,特朗普表示,他预计在卸任前会发布大量赦免令,部分目的是保护政府官员免受未来政府可能的起诉。“我打算发布大量赦免令,”他说。特朗普为其之前赦免与1月6日国会山骚乱相关罪行的被告辩护,称他们受到了不公正对待。谈话随后转向更个人化的问题,包括死亡、信仰以及原谅的可能性。
Trump discusses pardons and refuses to forgive political enemiesNear the end of the interview, Trump said he expected to issue a substantial number of pardons before leaving office, partly to protect administration officials from potential prosecutions under future governments.“I intend to issue tremendous numbers of pardons,” he said. Trump defended his previous pardons of defendants convicted in connection with the January 6 Capitol riot, arguing that they had been treated unfairly. The conversation then turned to more personal questions, including mortality, faith and the possibility of forgiveness.
被问及他相信死后会发生什么时,特朗普形容自己是个宗教信徒。“嗯,我是个宗教人士。所以理论上,我会上天堂,”他说。“我希望如此。我不想下地狱。”道萨特随后问,如果进入天堂需要原谅,特朗普是否能原谅政敌,包括前众议院议长南希·佩洛西和前联邦调查局局长詹姆斯·科米。特朗普起初拒绝回答这个假设性问题。
Asked what he believed would happen to him after death, Trump described himself as religious.“Well, I'm a religious person. So in theory, I go to heaven,” he said.“I hope so. I don't want to go to hell.”Douthat then asked whether Trump could forgive political enemies, including former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and former FBI Director James Comey, if forgiveness were necessary to enter heaven. Trump initially resisted the hypothetical.“If I said to you, sure, the easy answer to that, oh yes, I could forgive,” he said, suggesting that such a response would be dishonest.
“如果我对你说,当然,这是个简单的答案,哦,是的,我可以原谅,”他说,暗示这样的回答不诚实。他形容自己的对手是深度不诚实的人,他们伤害了国家。被直接问及答案是否为否时,特朗普回答说:“答案是否定的。”
He described his opponents as deeply dishonest people who had harmed the country. Asked directly whether the answer was no, Trump replied: “The answer is no. I want to be honest.”
“我想诚实。”采访者进一步追问,特朗普是否会在上帝审判之前仍拒绝原谅他的敌人。“我能诚实地说吗?我现在可能做不到,因为我确实恨一些敌人,而且我永远都会恨,”总统说。最后,当被问及他希望一百年后人们如何记住他的总统任期时,特朗普只说了一句话:“我让美国再次伟大。”
The interviewer pressed further, asking whether Trump would still refuse to forgive his enemies even before God's judgment.“Can I be honest? I probably cannot do that now because I do hate some of my enemies and I always will,” the president said. Finally, asked how he hoped his presidency would be remembered 100 years from now, Trump offered a single sentence:“That I made America great again.”