NPR主持人艾尔萨·张与政治学家安德拉·吉莱斯皮就2026年中期选举期间的黑人选民投票率进行对话。逐字稿艾尔萨·张,主持人:民主党在中期选举中取得的“蓝色海啸”式胜利,部分得益于黑人选民支持的高涨。这在南方尤为明显,那里许多投票权活动人士曾担心,最高法院削弱《投票权法案》的裁决会削弱黑人的投票力量。为了帮助我们理清这些情况,我们连线了安德拉·吉莱斯皮。她是亚特兰大埃默里大学的政治学教授。欢迎您。安德拉·吉莱斯皮:谢谢。
NPR's Ailsa Chang speaks with political scientist Andra Gillespie about Black voter turnout during the 2026 midterm election. Transcript AILSA CHANG, HOST: The blue tsunami of Democratic victories in the midterms was partly powered by a groundswell of support among Black voters. That's especially true in the South, where many voting rights activists had feared the Supreme Court decision gutting the Voting Rights Act would have weakened Black voting power. To help us make sense of all of this, we have called Andra Gillespie. She's a professor of political science at Emory University in Atlanta. Welcome. ANDRA GILLESPIE: Thank you.
张:我知道我们距离选举仅过去几天,还有一些竞选结果尚未揭晓,但总体而言,与2024年大选甚至以往的中期选举周期相比,您认为这次黑人选民参与度的增幅有多大?
CHANG: So I know we're just a few days out from the election, and there are still some races that have yet to be called, but overall, how big of an increase in Black voter participation did we see in this election compared to the 2024 election or even previous midterm election cycles, do you think?
吉莱斯皮:我将以我的家乡佐治亚州为例,因为佐治亚州确实会按种族收集选民投票率数据。这在本次选举周期中会非常有帮助。就绝对数字而言,与2022年相比,我们在佐治亚州看到了非裔美国人、拉美裔和亚裔美国人选民的投票率均有所上升。白人选民的投票率实际上比2022年有所下降。因此,这实际上有助于使黑人和亚裔美国人选民在2026年选民群体中所占的比例,大于他们在登记选民中所占的比例。
GILLESPIE: So I'm going to use my state of Georgia as an example because Georgia does collect data on voter turnout by race. That would be really helpful in this election cycle. So in absolute terms, compared to 2022, we saw higher voter turnout amongst African Americans, Latinos and Asian American voters in the state of Georgia. White voters actually had lower voter turnout compared to 2022. And so that actually helps to contribute to overall Black and Asian American voters in particular making up a larger share of the 2026 electorate than they did amongst registered voters.
张:黑人男性选民呢?我想聚焦他们片刻,因为特朗普总统在2024年确实在黑人男性中取得了一些进展,尽管他们仍然主要投票给卡玛拉·哈里斯。而现在我看到出口民调显示,黑人男性出现了回流民主党的趋势。所以我很好奇,您认为这是为什么,或者到底发生了什么?吉莱斯皮:如果我必须提出一个假设的话……张:是的。
CHANG: What about Black male voters? I want to focus on them for a moment because President Trump did make some inroads with Black men back in 2024, even though they still largely voted for Kamala Harris. And now I see that exit polls are showing a swing back to Democrats among Black men. So I'm curious, why do you think this is happening, or what is happening? GILLESPIE: If I had to proffer a hypothesis... CHANG: Yeah.
吉莱斯皮:……这可能是因为经济问题。如果我们看看选民民意调查或出口民调数据,在全国范围内,经济在选民关注的问题中排名第一,但特别是在南卡罗来纳州、佐治亚州和密西西比州等南方州份,黑人选民将经济列为首要问题的比例,实际上高于全国平均水平。
GILLESPIE: ...It's probably because of economic issues. One of the things that's actually really interesting nationally if we look at the voter poll or the exit poll data, the economy ranked as the top issue amongst voters overall, but especially in southern states like South Carolina and Georgia and Mississippi, Black voters were actually more likely to cite the economy as their top issue than we saw in those national averages.
张:我想谈谈这次选举具有历史意义的一面,这或许超越了党派政治。尤其是在州长竞选中,这一点表现得尤为明显。出现了许多历史性的首次。大卫·克劳利当选为威斯康星州首位黑人州长,基莎·兰斯·博托姆斯当选为美国首位黑人女性州长,拜伦·唐纳兹当选为佛罗里达州首位黑人州长。我知道这些都是不同的竞选,我谈论的是不同的个人。但您是否看到黑人选民在这些特定的历史性胜利中所扮演角色的共同脉络?
CHANG: I want to talk about the historic nature of this election that maybe transcends party politics. I mean, in the governor races, you see this especially. There were a number of historic firsts. You had David Crowley elected as Wisconsin's first Black governor, Keisha Lance Bottoms, the country's first Black woman governor, Byron Donalds, who was elected to become Florida's first Black governor. And I know that these are all different races. These are distinct individuals I'm talking about. But do you see any through line in the role that Black voters may have played in these particular historic wins?
吉莱斯皮:是的,但我认为还有一个更大的问题,那就是候选人供给以及黑人政治家感到有足够的信心去竞选全州范围的公职。一代人前,两代人前,这将是一次冒险的举动,所以如果你拥有一个非常安全的国会席位,就像唐纳兹众议员的席位,你可能不会选择竞选(注:原文此处有语音识别标记),特别是如果你是民主党人竞选全州公职,因为你将放弃一个稳赢的席位,去冒险竞选一个你最终可能赢不了的席位。
GILLESPIE: Well, yes, but I think there's also this larger issue of candidates supply and Black politicians feeling confident enough that they can run for statewide office. You know, a generation ago, two generations ago, this would have been a risky move, so if you had a really safe congressional seat, like Congressman Donalds', had you might not choose to run (ph), especially if you were a Democrat for statewide office, because you're going to give up a guaranteed seat in order to take a risk and run for a seat that you might not eventually win.
吉莱斯皮:现在,在民主党和共和党两党中,都出现了更多黑人成功竞选全州公职的例子。我认为斯泰西·艾布拉姆斯2018年的努力,虽然未能让她入主州长官邸,但实际上证明了黑人候选人具有竞争力。
GILLESPIE: Well, there's been more examples of Blacks being able to run successfully for statewide office in both the Democratic and the Republican Parties. And I think Stacey Abrams' work in 2018, though it was unsuccessful in getting her to the governor's mansion, actually proved that Black candidates could be viable.
常:那重新划分选区的作用呢?因为今年早些时候,最高法院推翻了《投票权法案》的一项关键条款,对吧?许多民主党人和投票权活动家认为这会削弱黑人选民的力量。随后我们看到一些南方州着手重绘国会选区地图,专家称这将进一步减少各级政府中的黑人代表性。但看起来并没有发生这种情况。你认为为什么没有?
CHANG: What about the role of redistricting? Because earlier this year, the Supreme Court struck down a key provision of the Voting Rights Act, right? And many Democrats and voting rights activists thought this would weaken Black voting power. Then we saw a number of Southern states move to redraw congressional maps in a way that experts said would further diminish Black representation across all levels of government. But it doesn't look like that happened. Why not, you think?
吉莱斯皮:我们在南方各州看到了这种情况,在北卡罗来纳州、田纳西州、德克萨斯州,你看到这些共和党投票实力被稀释、以试图创造尽可能多席位的例子。而在大选年或海啸般的选举年,这做法创造出了民主党实际上可以竞争的选区。
GILLESPIE: What we saw across the South in North Carolina, in Tennessee, Texas, you see these instances of Republican voting strength being diluted to try to create as many seats as possible. And what it did in a wave or tsunami election year was create these districts that Democrats could actually compete in.
常:今年的选举有没有什么地方让你对黑人选票在未来会流向何方有所启示,特别是在这次中期选举之后?
CHANG: Was there anything about this year's elections that gave you any indications about where the Black vote might go going forward after this particular midterm election?
吉莱斯皮:共和党在2024年判断失误,认为那次选举中向共和党倒戈的现象,是某种永久性政党重组的证据……常:没错。
GILLESPIE: Republicans miscalculated in 2024 that those defections towards the Republican Party in that election were evidence of some type of permanent realignment... CHANG: Right.
吉莱斯皮:……而不是去审视可能影响人们投票的因素。这意味着,展望未来,两党都不应把这次选举当作未来选举走向的风向标。
GILLESPIE: ...Instead of looking at what factors might have been influencing people to vote. What that means going forward is that neither party should consider this current election as indicative of what's going to happen in future elections.
常:埃默里大学政治学教授安德拉·吉莱斯皮,非常感谢您今天接受我们的采访。使用条款 权限 页面 了解更多信息。
CHANG: Andra Gillespie, political science professor at Emory University, thank you very much for joining us today. terms of use permissions pages at for further information.
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