密歇根州当选民主党参议员阿卜杜勒·埃尔-萨耶德在《拯救美国》播客节目中回应了关于他在胜选之路上表现傲慢的指责，表示有必要反击唐纳德·特朗普总统的沟通方式。
Abdul El-Sayed, the Democratic senator-elect from Michigan, leaned into accusations of acting cocky on the path to victory over Republican candidate Mike Rogers, citing a need to push back on President Donald Trump’s manner of communication during an appearance on Pod Save America.
“很久以前，你预测你会以七个百分点的优势赢得这场竞选，当时这听起来是一句相当傲慢且未经深思熟虑的话。然后你真的以七个百分点的优势赢了。人们仍然称你傲慢，”播客主持人乔恩·法夫罗在采访埃尔-萨耶德时说道。“你如何看待你自己？”
"Long ago, you predicted that you would win this race by seven points, which at the time seemed like a pretty cocky and ill-considered thing to say. Then you won the race by seven points. People are still calling you cocky," podcast host Jon Favreau said during his interview with El-Sayed. "How do you see yourself?"
“我认为我们有责任以对待一个不严肃的傻瓜的方式来与[特朗普]打交道，”埃尔-萨耶德回答道。
"I think there is a responsibility that we have to engage with [Trump] as the unserious fool that he is," El-Sayed replied.
埃尔-萨耶德的回答揭示了他对自己竞选活动的看法，以及他相信民主党为应对特朗普在美国政治中的存在所需要采取的基调。这也引发了一个问题：埃尔-萨耶德的竞选策略在国会中是否会奏效。
El-Sayed’s response sheds light on his view of his own campaign and the tone that he believes Democrats need to adopt to counter Trump’s presence in American politics. It also raises questions of whether El-Sayed’s campaign strategies will yield results in Congress.
在他的看法中，特朗普改变了可接受的沟通风格。反过来，他指责民主党人不愿放弃一种体面做派，以牙还牙地反击。
In his view, Trump has changed the style of acceptable communication. In turn, he accused Democrats of being hesitant to abandon a kind of decorum to fight fire with fire.
“我只是认为，我们有责任走出《白宫群英》那一集——我们的政治过去感觉就像那样——走进我们身处的现实，”埃尔-萨耶德说道，指的是一部以理想化方式描绘美国政治的电视剧。
"I just think there’s a responsibility for us to walk out of 'The West Wing' episode that our politics used to feel like and into the reality of where we are," El-Sayed said, referring to a a television drama known for its idealistic portrayal of American politics.
“我这么说是因为，如果你曾经看过房间里的霸凌者，如果你不站出来对抗霸凌者，霸凌者不会就此消失。霸凌者只会变得更强，”埃尔-萨耶德说道。
"I say that because if you’ve ever watched a bully in a room, if you don’t stand up to the bully, it’s not like the bully will just go away. The bully just gets stronger," El-Sayed said.
在竞选期间，埃尔-萨耶德反复指责特朗普，在他眼中，特朗普开启了政治修辞的新时代。但这种观点也早于他的参议院竞选。
During his campaign, El-Sayed repeatedly pointed a finger at Trump for, in his view, ushering in a new age of political rhetoric. But that view also preceded his Senate bid.
他在2020年的一次采访中曾指责唐纳德·特朗普总统煽动恐怖主义，理由是一起绑架州长格雷琴·惠特默的阴谋被挫败。
He once accused President Donald Trump of inciting terrorism in a 2020 interview, citing a foiled plot to kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer.
埃尔赛义德说：“这些人是恐怖分子；我们必须这样称呼他们。我们必须认识到，这就是目前恐怖主义的面目。我们必须站出来反对它。”
"These are terrorists; we have to call them that. We have to recognize that that is what the face of terrorism looks like right now. We have to step up against it," El-Sayed said.
埃尔赛义德说：“我们得问：为什么这些人会走向激进？好吧，外面肯定有一些激进的极端派神职人员，可能在疯狂发推文，谈论他们认为需要完成的所有事情，比如‘解放密歇根’。”尽管总统唐纳德·特朗普没有呼吁对惠特默实施任何形式的暴力，但埃尔赛义德表示，他认为该总统至少负有部分责任，并指出特朗普在被破获的阴谋发生六个月前曾发过一条推文。
"We gotta ask: why are these people getting radicalized? Well, there must be some radical, extremist cleric out there who may be tweeting up a storm about all the things that they think need to be done, like liberating Michigan." Although President Donald Trump did not call for any kind of violence against Whitmer, El-Sayed said he believed the president was at least partially responsible, pointing to a tweet Trump had made six months before the discovered plot.
特朗普在如今被称为X的社交媒体平台Twitter上发帖写道：“解放密歇根！”该帖文是一系列呼吁“解放”弗吉尼亚州和明尼苏达州免受民主党州长实施的COVID-19限制措施影响的帖文之一。
"LIBERATE MICHIGAN!" Trump wrote in a post on Twitter, the social media platform now known as X. The post was one of a series calling to "liberate" Virginia and Minnesota from COVID-19 restrictions imposed by Democratic governors.
根据联邦调查局向当地媒体发表的评论，该阴谋起源于特朗普的帖文之前。
According to FBI comments to local media, the plot originated before Trump's post.
即便如此，埃尔赛义德仍称这些帖文是使暴力变得更可能的文化毒化现象的象征。
Even so, El-Sayed called the posts emblematic of a cultural toxicity that had made violence more likely.
埃尔赛义德说：“人们因为她愿意挺身而出保护我们大家的健康而威胁她的安全，在我看来，这就是我们在唐纳德·塔普身上看到的这种毒化现象所造成的例证。”
"The idea that people would threaten her safety because she was willing to stand up to keep us all healthy is, to me, the example of what the kind of toxicity that we see out of Donald Trump creates," El-Sayed said.
埃尔赛义德的一位发言人没有立即回应关于他是否认为民主党人应该克制不使用某种言论存在红线的置评请求。
A spokesperson for El-Sayed did not immediately respond to requests for comment on whether he believed in a red line for what kind of rhetoric Democrats should refrain from using.
在赢得美国参议员选举之后，埃尔赛义德将于2027年1月3日宣誓就职，开启第120届国会的任期。
Having won his U.S. Senate election, El-Sayed will be sworn into office on Jan. 3, 2027, the start of the 120th Congress.