前卫生与公众服务部（HHS）部长罗伯特·肯尼迪二世的助手卡利·米恩斯周日在接受采访时表示，白宫工作人员像对待“婴儿”一样对待特朗普总统。米恩斯于上月辞职，他在哥伦比亚广播公司（CBS News）节目《面对国家》上表示，总统“已被”高级助手和策略师“颠覆”。米恩斯此前在《乔·罗根体验》节目中声称，白宫工作人员还在阻挠肯尼迪的“让美国再次健康”（MAHA）议程，阻拦受欢迎的政策项目。
Calley Means, former aide to Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., on Sunday said in an interview that White House staff treated President Trump like a "baby." Means, who resigned from his position last month, said on CBS News's "Face the Nation" that the president "has been subverted" by top aides and strategists. Means had claimed on "The Joe Rogan Experience" that White House staffers were also hindering Kennedy's MAHA agenda in blocking popular policy items.
“我认为（特朗普）得到了一些人的严重错误建议，我认为，他们在许多方面像对待婴儿一样对待他，并利用了他，”米恩斯对《面对国家》主持人玛格丽特·布伦南说，布伦南就此点追问。米恩斯补充说，这些工作人员“一直会阻挡”信息传递给特朗普。“我一点也不惊讶，你知道，如果他们就这些问题进行了非常简短的交谈，你知道，总统非常忙，总统说‘好吧，随便’，然后他们利用——”，布伦南打断道：“或者他不感兴趣。”
"I think [Trump] had severe poor advice from people, I think, who treated him like a baby in many respects and used him," Means told "Face the Nation" host Margaret Brennan, who pressed him on this point. Means added that these staffers "would block access to" information from Trump "all the time." "I would be not surprised at all, you know, if they had very short conversations on these issues, you know, where the president is extremely busy and the president said, 'OK, whatever,' and then they use ––" he said, before Brennan interjected, "Or he's not interested."
“是的，然后他们利用了这一点，”米恩斯回答。“就像这一切——一切都像是总统想要这样。”
"Yes, then they used that," Means replied. "Like it's all –– it is all like the president wants this."
这一话题是在布伦南采访伊始提到米恩斯近期关于政府阻挠“你们试图推行”的健康政策的言论后出现的。米恩斯表示，这具体涉及前白宫幕僚长苏西·怀尔斯的盟友“不懈地推动卫生与公众服务部寻找一条途径”以允许水果味电子烟。“他们会标记某事——‘哦，这是一个重要问题，’”他说。“（特朗普）会说些什么，然后他们会强行推进，说这是总统的优先事项，以服务于他们的优先事项。”
The topic emerged after Brennan, at the start of the interview, noted Means's recent remarks about the administration blocking health policies "that you were trying to get passed." Means said this was specifically about allies of former White House chief of staff Susie Wiles "relentlessly pushing HHS to find a pathway for" fruit-flavored electronic cigarettes. "They would flag something –– 'Oh this is an important issue,'" he said. "[Trump] would say something and then they would jam it down saying it's a president's priority for their priorities.
“我不认为特朗普总统参选，你知道，主要目的是为了帮助这些行业。”他后来表示，特朗普“与肯尼迪拥有跨代际的联盟”，并且“想在改善儿童健康问题上大干一场”。米恩斯在接受罗根采访时曾指责怀尔斯对政策决策拥有“扼杀般的控制权”，并称她因担心会损害来自糖业的政治捐款，而阻挠了一项卫生与公众服务部的食品倡议。
I don't think President Trump ran, you know, as a primary purpose to help these industries." He later said that Trump "has a generational coalition with" Kennedy and "wants to go hard on the issue of improving health for children." Means, in his interview with Rogan, had accused Wiles of having a "stranglehold" on policy decisions and that she blocked an HHS food initiative out of fear it would hurt political donations from the sugar industry.
特朗普政治顾问詹姆斯·布莱尔在给《华盛顿邮报》的一份声明中表示，米恩斯的指控以及“暗示我和卡利提到的所有其他人存在腐败，是恶毒的、虚假的和诽谤性的”。“除了极少量的耳闻知识，我无法告诉你谁向什么组织捐款，因为我不是筹款人，在筹款方面没有任何角色，”他告诉该媒体。布伦南周日问米恩斯，在他离开政府之前，是否“意图”让怀尔斯离开其职位。
Trump political adviser James Blair told The Washington Post in a statement that Means's claims and the "implication of corruption towards me and all the others referenced by Calley is scurrilous, false and defamatory." "I couldn't tell you who donors are to what organizations other than minimal passing knowledge, because I am not a fundraiser and have no role in fundraising," he told the outlet. Brennan asked Means Sunday if it was his "intention" to have Wiles removed from her post before he left the administration.
米恩斯表示赞同，他曾为斯蒂芬·米勒接替怀尔斯而欢呼，并表示这位新任幕僚长“想与肯尼迪和特朗普一起完成一些变革性的事情，这些事情不是党派性的，而是结构性的。”他指出，米勒可以与其他关注健康的民主党人合作，如参议员伊丽莎白·沃伦（民主党-马萨诸塞州）和当选参议员阿卜杜勒·埃尔-赛义德（民主党-密歇根州）。
Means concurred, having cheered Stephen Miller as Wiles's replacement and saying that the new chief of staff "wants to get transformative things done" with Kennedy and Trump "that are not partisan but structural." He noted that Miller could work with other health-focused Democrats like Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and Sen.-elect Abdul El-Sayed (D-Mich.).