上周，总统唐纳德·特朗普任命斯蒂芬·米勒为新的白宫办公厅主任。米勒是特朗普的长期顾问，也是该政府极不受欢迎的移民议程的设计师。随着中期选举令民主党在参议院和众议院均占据多数席位，米勒——此前担任负责政策的副办公厅主任兼国土安全顾问——很将在未来两年中扮演塑造白宫议程的关键角色。
Last week, President Donald Trump named Stephen Miller, his longtime adviser and architect of the administration’s widely unpopular immigration agenda, his new chief of staff. With the midterm elections delivering a Democratic majority in both the Senate and the House of Representatives, Miller, whose titles until now were deputy chief of staff for policy and homeland security adviser, will likely play a critical role in shaping the White House’s agenda over the next two years.
可能没有人比记者吉恩·格雷罗更了解米勒。在特朗普的第一届政府期间，格雷罗对米勒产生了浓厚兴趣。和她一样，米勒也在南加州长大，周围环绕着移民，身处大体上自由派（或至少不是强硬保守派）的社区。她不禁纳惑，这个男人的家族曾为逃避反犹大屠杀而来到美国，他本人又在紧邻移民的环境中长大，怎么会转而认同白宫至上主义和反移民观点？
There is probably no one who understands Miller better than journalist Jean Guerrero. During Trump’s first administration, Guerrero became fascinated by Miller, who, like her, had grown up in Southern California, surrounded by immigrants, in largely liberal (or at least not hard-line conservative) communities. How, she wondered, did this man, whose family came to the US fleeing antisemitic pogroms, who grew up in close proximity to immigrants, come to align himself with white supremacist and anti-immigrant views?
她的研究最终汇成了2020年出版的米勒传记《仇恨兜售者》。她在书中梳理了米勒在第一届特朗普政府中迅速崛起的历程，并深入探讨了塑造米勒信仰基础的思想、导师和经历。
Her research culminated in Hatemonger, her 2020 biography of Miller, in which she charted his rapid ascent to power in the first Trump administration and dove into the ideas, mentors, and experiences that formed the foundations of Miller’s beliefs.
白宫发言人劳伦·比斯表示：“斯蒂芬·米勒一直是实现特朗普总统‘美国优先’议程的关键人物，包括带头打击包括华盛顿特区和孟菲斯在内的犯罪活动、创纪录的放松管制、释放美国能源、摧毁贩毒集团以及确保我们的边境安全。在新职务上，他将继续为美国人民取得历史性的成功。”
“Stephen Miller has been a key player in delivering on President Trump’s America First agenda including spearheading the administration’s crime crackdown including in DC and Memphis, record setting deregulation, unleashing American energy, dismantling drug cartels, and securing our border. In his new role, he will continue to deliver historic successes for the American people,” says White House spokesperson Lauren Bis.
《连线》就米勒在新职位上的下一步走向，以及在特朗普第二任期期间她对米勒的理解如何演变等问题采访了格雷罗。这段对话经过了删节和润色。
WIRED spoke to Guerrero about where Miller goes from here in his new role, and the ways in which her understanding of Miller has evolved during Trump’s second term. This conversation has been edited for length and clarity.
《连线》杂志：米勒现在已经登上了他历来担任过的最具权力的职位。这是他一直以来的目标吗？
WIRED: Miller has now ascended to the most powerful role he has ever occupied. Is this something he has always been aiming for?
吉恩·格雷罗：斯蒂芬·米勒长期以来一直拥有与其资历不相称的巨大权力。从第一次竞选到今天，特朗普所做的大量事情中，他都起到了如此关键的作用。因此，无论斯蒂芬·米勒担任什么职务，他总能想方设法让该职务的实权超过历史上的水平。
Jean Guerrero: Stephen Miller has had a disproportionate amount of power for a very long time. He's been so instrumental in so much of what Trump has done, starting from the first campaign to today. So regardless of the role that Stephen Miller's had, he always somehow turns that role into something more than it has been historically.
虽然我没有刻意与本届政府的人员交流，但我曾预料到这一点，听到这个消息时我一点也不感到意外。我记得当时曾想过，斯蒂芬·米勒要么立即、要么在某个时候会被任命为办公厅主任，因为他是特朗普核心圈子里最有效的奉承者，也是他历时最久、最受信任的顾问。
While I haven’t been necessarily talking to people in this administration, I suspected that this was coming, and when I heard the news I wasn't at all surprised. I remember thinking that Stephen Miller was going to, if not immediately then at some point, be named chief of staff because of the fact that he has been the most effective sycophant in Trump's orbit, and has been his longest-lasting and most trusted adviser.
米勒的任命发生在一个被称为对共和党而言具有“灭绝级别”事件的中期选举之后仅仅几天。为什么偏偏是现在？
Miller’s appointment happened only a few days after a midterm election that some called an “extinction-level” event for Republicans. Why right now?
我认为特朗普是希望斯蒂芬·米勒能想方设法让他摆脱这种困境。过去，当他陷入麻烦时，他都会求助于斯蒂芬·米勒及其在反移民替罪羊问题上的专业知识，以此来转移人们的视线并凝聚他的基本盘，而且这一招曾经奏效。但我怀疑这一次不会奏效，因为美国人民对斯蒂芬·米勒在这场针对移民的战争中已经把局势带到的地步感到无比震惊。
I think Trump is hoping that Stephen Miller is going to somehow get him out of this mess. In the past, when he has been in trouble, he has turned to Stephen Miller and his expertise on anti-immigrant scapegoating to distract people and rally his base, and it has worked. But I suspect that this time it's not going to work, because the American people are so horrified by where Stephen Miller has already taken this war on immigrants.
我认为右翼的许多人正在意识到，我们在移民和海关执法局的行为中所看到的暴力——特别是今年早些时候在明尼阿波利斯发生的亚历克斯·普雷蒂和雷妮·古德遭枪击事件——实际上非常不得人心。你认为这会促使米勒改变策略还是加倍下注？
I think many people on the right are realizing that the violence we saw in ICE’s conduct—particularly the shooting of Alex Pretti and Renee Good in Minneapolis earlier this year—is actually very unpopular. Do you think this will push Miller to change tack or to double down?
我认为这会成为他变本加厉的动力，绝对会。从青少年时期到现在，他一直受一种渴望驱使，想要煽动、挑衅、制造恐惧。如果还有任何克制的话，那将体现在残酷的表演性质上，或许会转向在针对移民盟友的战争上更具表演性，并试图将所有为社会正义而战的人——不仅仅是为移民——描述为国内恐怖分子。我认为，这就是斯蒂芬·米勒渴望已久要打的一场战争。
I see it as an impetus for him to double down, absolutely. He's always been driven by a desire to inflame and antagonize and horrify, from the time that he was a teenager to today. If there's any restraint at all, it'll be on the performative nature of the cruelty and maybe shifting towards a more performative nature on the war on the allies of immigrants and trying to characterize anyone who fights for social justice, not just for immigrants, as domestic terrorists. I think that is the war that Stephen Miller has been dying to fight for a very long time.
我认为米勒将与监控公司、以及他和特朗普决定结盟的科技亿万富翁合作做这件事。他们将继续攻击隐私权和言论自由权。他总是试图寻找最有创意的方式，去锁定、恐吓和折磨他鄙视的群体。其中不仅包括移民，还包括盟友、移民的公民盟友以及边缘化群体。
I think Miller is going to do this in collaboration with surveillance companies and the tech billionaires that he and Trump have decided to align themselves with. They're going to continue to attack the right to privacy and the right to free speech. He's always trying to find the most creative ways to target and terrorize and torture the communities that he despises. And among them are not only immigrants, but the allies, the citizen allies of immigrants and people who are marginalized.
斯蒂芬·米勒深受《圣徒营》一书影响，这是一部白人至上主义的法国反乌托邦小说。读这本书让我大受启发，因为书中的英雄人物是那些主张消灭乘船逼近的棕色人种移民的角色，这些移民被描绘成对白人文明或西方文明的威胁。在书中，反派除了移民本身，还是移民的公民盟友。
Stephen Miller was very influenced by the book The Camp of the Saints, the white supremacist, dystopian French novel. Reading that book was very illuminating for me, because the heroes are the characters who advocate for wiping out brown immigrants who are approaching by boat, who are cast as a threat to white civilization or Western civilization. In the book, the villains, in addition to the immigrants themselves, are the citizen allies of the immigrants.
您是在第一届特朗普政府时期写的这本书。从那时起，您对斯蒂芬·米勒的理解有变化吗？
You wrote your book during the first Trump administration. Has your understanding of Stephen Miller evolved since then?
我对他的理解确实变了。我过去根本上把他看作白人民族主义者，但现在我更多地把他看作阶级至上主义者，以及寡头俘获的一个案例研究。
My understanding of him has really changed. I used to see him fundamentally as a white nationalist, but now I see him more as a class supremacist and as a case study in oligarchic capture.
我之所以得出这个结论，是因为当我第一次看到政府在外交政策方面的所作所为时，我感到困惑。既然我们知道那些正是导致动荡和移民的行为类型，他们为什么要干涉委内瑞拉或洪都拉斯的选举？但当他对杰克·塔珀说：“你可以尽情谈论国际礼节和其他一切。但我们生活在一个世界里，在现实世界中，杰克，这个世界是由实力统治的，由武力统治的，由权力统治的”，我拿出我的书，重读了他要求高中保管人员捡拾他垃圾的那些章节。
I came to this conclusion because when I first saw what the administration was doing on the foreign policy front, I was confused. Why would they be interfering in Venezuela or the elections in Honduras, when we know those are the exact types of actions that cause instability and migration? But when he told Jake Tapper, “You can talk all you want about international niceties and everything else. But we live in a world, in the real world, Jake, that is governed by strength, that is governed by force, that is governed by power,” I pulled out my book, and I read back through the sections where he's demanding that the custodial staff at his high school pick up his trash.
他在大学时也这么做，会把垃圾扔在外面，并抗议任何要求他收拾自己垃圾的请求。青少年时期，他真正的动力是让所有人都待在他眼中“该待的位置”。他不介意身边有移民，只要他们“安守本分”，安静地伺候他，捡拾他扔在地上或留在食堂桌子上的垃圾。
This is something he did in college too, where he would leave out his trash and protest any requests that he clean up after himself. When he was a teenager, he was really motivated by a desire to keep everybody in what he saw as their place. He didn't mind having immigrants around so long as they stayed “in their place,” where they were quietly serving him and picking up the trash that he was throwing on the floor or leaving on the cafeteria tables.
我意识到，在斯蒂芬·米勒成为白人至上主义者之前，他首先是一个阶级至上主义者。
I realized that before Stephen Miller was a white nationalist, he was a class supremacist.
他仇恨穷人。他仇恨那些比他过得不好的人，因为他认为他们低人一等。这种理解改变了你对米勒目前聚焦移民问题的看法吗？
He hated poor people. He hated people who were less well-off than him, because he thought they were inferior to him. Has this understanding changed the way you think about Miller’s focus on immigration now?
通过将所有注意力集中在针对移民的战争上，这让我们无法理解：当一部分人被定罪并被迫躲在阴影中时，他们就无法与其他工人联手，共同要求有尊严地生活。在现任政府领导下，他回归到了最真实的自我。斯蒂芬·米勒想要的是一个仆人阶级，而不是一个工人阶级。
By focusing all the attention on the war on immigrants, it distracts us from understanding that when you have one sector of the population that is being criminalized and forced to stay in the shadows, then they cannot link arms with other workers to demand to live with dignity. Under this new administration, he has reverted to his most authentic self. Stephen Miller wants a servant class, not a working class.