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共和党失利表明特朗普“未必是最值得依附的人选”Republican losses show Trump is 'not necessarily the best person to latch on to'

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尽管共和党在中期选举中损失惨重,但爱德华多·加马拉教授警告称,总统唐纳德·特朗普“不会改变”。© 乌米特·贝克塔斯 / 路透社Despite considerable losses for the Republican party in the midterm elections, Professor Eduardo Gamarra warns that President Donald Trump 'will not change'. © Umit Bektas / Reuters

民主党接管美国国会为与唐纳德·特朗普总统的对决奠定了基础,但不太可能改变他对外交事务的处理方式,包括与伊朗的战争,政治学家爱德华多·加马拉表示。他在接受法广采访时称,该党现在面临一个选择:是花时间调查总统,还是在国家最紧迫的问题上寻求妥协。

The Democrats’ takeover of the United States Congress sets the stage for a showdown with President Donald Trump, but is unlikely to change his approach to foreign affairs, including the war with Iran, says political scientist Eduardo Gamarra. Speaking to RFI, the Florida International University professor says the party now faces a choice: whether to spend their time investigating the president, or seek compromises on the country’s most pressing problems.

法广:本周的中期选举出现了一股“蓝色浪潮”,冲击美国政坛,民主党接管了国会两院。接下来会怎样?

RFI: This week's midterm elections saw a blue wave hit US politics, with the Democrat takeover of both houses of Congress. What comes next?

爱德华多·加马拉:这是一个分裂政府。你有一位总统,他反正一直是在没有国会参与的情况下执政,靠总统指令施政。目前他没有任何真正的动力去配合一个将由调查其过往活动的议程所驱动的国会。

Eduardo Gamarra: It is a divided government. You have a president who's been governing anyway without Congress, who has been ruling by presidential directive. There is really no real incentive right now for him to work with a Congress that is going to be driven by an agenda of investigating his past activities.

负担在于民主党人,以及他们将如何行使对两院的多数控制权。他们是要花时间搞调查,还是要花时间试图建立某种两党合作,以回应那些需要立即解决的问题:经济危机、外交政策惨败,特别是与伊朗的战争。

The burden is on the Democrats and how they're going to exercise their majority control of both houses. Are they going to spend their time with investigations, or are they going to spend their time trying to construct some kind of a bipartisan on responding to immediate things that need to be addressed: the economic crisis, the foreign policy fiascos and, especially, the war with Iran.

民主党横扫国会 让挑衅的特朗普成了“跛脚鸭”总统 法广:11月4日,特朗普在其社交平台“真相社交”上发布了一张红色棒球帽的照片,帽子上绣着“否决”二字,表明他打算否决任何他不喜欢的提案。他真的有这项权力吗?

Democrats sweep Congress leaving defiant Trump a lame-duck president RFI: On 4 November, Trump published a picture of a red baseball cap emblazoned with the word “VETO” on his social media platform Truth Social, indicating that he intends to reject any proposal he dislikes. Does he actually have this power?

EG:他会这么做,但总统需要一些立法胜利。国会议员会制定这些巨额法案,把他们所在选区最喜欢的项目排进去,希望能获得资金。因此,问题在于总统是否愿意谈判,以及民主党国会议员是否会提出某种妥协,以便能够克服否决。

EG: He does, but the president will need some legislative victories. Congressmen develop these huge bills where they line up their favorite project in their particular district, hoping that it gets funded. So, the question is whether the president wants to negotiate and whether Democrat members of Congress will put forth some kind of compromise where they'll be able to overcome the vetoes.

11月4日,法国国际广播电台在佛罗里达州迈阿密采访了国际与公共事务教授爱德华多·加马拉。© 法国国际广播电台/扬·范德马德RFI spoke to Eduardo Gamarra, professor of International and Public Affairs in Miami, Florida on 4 November. © RFI/Jan van der Made

他们实际上有一种推翻否决的机制,但需要三分之二多数票,而没有共和党支持他们不可能得到。

There is a mechanism through which they can actually override a veto, but they need a two-thirds vote, and they're not going to get that without Republican support.

RFI:你如何解释佛罗里达仍然是共和党,而德克萨斯和堪萨斯等州却转为民主党?

RFI: How do you explain that Florida remained Republican while states such as Texas and Kansas turned Democrat?

EG:过去30年里,共和党一直执政该州。他们控制了所有机构,并花了大量时间登记共和党选民。所以让我惊讶的是他们的胜利幅度并不大。令人惊讶的是民主党人竟然如此接近。这对民主党在未来几年将走向何方是一个非常重要的教训。

EG: For the last 30 years, the Republicans have run this state. They control every institution, and they have spent a lot of time registering Republicans. And so the surprise to me was that they didn't win by more. What's surprising is how close the Democrats came. And that is a very important lesson for where Democrats will go over the next couple of years.

因为现在的多数非常脆弱。州长的胜选在任何调查的误差范围内。参议员也获胜。其他参议员的选举如此接近,以至于需要重新计票。该州还有许多民主党人当选国会。于是从佛罗里达民主党的角度来看,这并不是一次失败。佛罗里达群岛企业主透露对特朗普美国的截然不同看法RFI:选举结果为各党派提供了哪些教训?

Because this is a very flimsy majority now. The governor won within the margin of error of any survey. A senator won. For the other senators the race was so close that there is a recount. And there are a lot of Democrats who got elected to Congress in this state. So from the perspective of the Democrats of Florida, this is not a loss. Florida Keys business owners reveal contrasting views of Trump's America RFI: What lessons has the election result served for each party?

EG:对共和党而言,最大的教训是唐纳德·特朗普并不一定是最适合依附的人。鉴于他的不可预测性以及所有人格特质,在接下来的两年里他不会改变。

EG: The big lesson for the Republicans is that Donald Trump is not necessarily the best person to latch on to. And knowing how unpredictable he is and given all of his personality traits, in these next two years he will not change.

其次,共和党必须采取一些措施,减轻他们治理时的残酷性,并在涉及该州少数族裔社区的多项议题上作出改进。

Secondly, the Republicans are going to have to do some things to mitigate the cruelty with which they have governed, and on a number of issues that affect minority communities in this state.

但对民主党而言,最大的教训是他们必须组织起来。他们必须持续开展竞选活动。他们必须为候选人提供资金。他们必须走出去。他们必须继续发掘新的领导层。法广:您认为“蓝色浪潮”将如何影响美国与伊朗及中东的关系?

But for the Democrats, the big lesson is they have to organise. They have to campaign constantly. They have to fund their candidates. They have to be out there. They have to continue identifying new leadership. RFI: How do you think the “blue wave” will affect the US relationship with Iran and the Middle East?

埃利奥特·格林:假设民主党获胜将改变美国在海外的行事方式,这存在真正的风险。这对[伊朗]战争并没有真正的意义。

EG: There's a real risk to assuming that the democratic victory is going to change the way in which the United States is going to conduct itself abroad. It doesn't really mean anything to the war [in Iran].

这也不意味着,仅仅因为民主党在全国获胜,他们就会神奇地对伊朗人更友善。别忘了,自1979年以来,美国和伊朗互不待见。无论是民主党还是共和党政府都是如此。

It also doesn't mean that just because the Democrats won nationally that miraculously they're going to be nicer to the Iranians. Let's not forget that since 1979, the United States and Iran have not liked each other. And that's been Democrat and Republican administrations.

这将使谈判和平变得困难,也将难以控制一位认为自己可以在不谈判——特别是不经国会——的情况下结束战争的总统。

That's going to make it difficult to negotiate peace, and it's also going to be tough to control a president who believes that he can end the war without negotiating – and without Congress in particular.

我认为这变得极其复杂的原因就在这里,因为他不受约束。因为在过去五十年里,自越南战争以来,国会已放弃了其控制外交政策的角色。

And that's where I think it becomes extraordinarily complicated because he's unconstrained. Because over the last five decades, since the Vietnam War, Congress has abdicated its role in controlling foreign policy.

多年来,这种情况不断加速,包括80年代初针对驻黎巴嫩美军的袭击、第一次海湾战争。9·11袭击事件改变了一切。

And that has accelerated over the years, with the strikes in Lebanon against American troops, in the early 80s, with the first war against Saddam Hussein. [The attacks of] 9/11 transformed everything.

将我们最大的威胁持续定义为恐怖主义,真正使美国成为了这样一个行动者:它将世界其他地区,但尤其是来自中东的人,视为威胁。

The continuous definition of our greatest threat being terrorism [has] really made the United States into this actor that sees the rest of the world, but especially people from the Middle East, as a threat.

世界领导人期待美国中期选举后实现重启 法广:在共和党内部,指责游戏已经开始。副总统万斯已经表示,对伊朗的战争是导致共和党失利的原因。这将对共和党的凝聚力产生什么影响?

World leaders hope for reset after US midterms RFI: Within Republican ranks, the blame game has begun. Vice-President JD Vance has already said that the war against Iran is to blame for the losses of the Republicans. What will this do to the coherence of the Republican party?

他们自己给自己挖了这个坑。这是一场不必要的冲突,而总统、万斯、[国务卿] 马尔科·鲁比奥和[国防部长] 皮特·赫格塞斯,这些[做出决定的] 责任人……现在不得不设法脱身。

EG: They created this trap for themselves. This is an unnecessary conflict and the president and JD Vance and [Foreign Secretary] Marco Rubio and [Secretary of War] Pete Hegseth, the [ones] responsible for making this decision... now they have to back out of it.

副总统这么说也于事无补。美国陷入这场战争,他也有责任。所以指责会指向多个方向,但我认为,光靠怪罪别人要想摆脱困境将非常困难。

And it doesn't help for the vice president to say that. He is part of the reason why the United States is in that war. So the blaming is going to go in multiple directions, but I think it's going to be very difficult to come out of it by blaming others.

事实是,美国必须退出这场战争。怎么退出还有待商榷。我想总统大概想狠狠轰炸伊朗一顿。但那结束不了战争。那么,怎么通过谈判从一场自己挑起的战争中脱身呢?

The fact is that the US has to get out of that war. How to do that is open for debate. I imagine that the president would like to bomb the tar out of Iran. But that's not going to end the war. So then how do you negotiate your way out of a war that you started?

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