联合名单议会领袖艾哈迈德·蒂比表示，联合名单在阻止以色列总理本雅明·内塔尼亚胡继续掌权的努力中具有“决定性”作用，并概述了为替代政府提供议会安全网的条件。
The Joint List is “decisive” in efforts to prevent Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu from remaining in power, its parliamentary leader Ahmad Tibi said, outlining conditions for providing an alternative government with a parliamentary safety net.
在接受阿纳多卢通讯社采访时，蒂比将下周二的以色列议会选举描述为“重要、关键且危险”，表示其联盟准备好与犹太反对派合作，但不加入其政府。
In an interview with Anadolu, Tibi described next Tuesday’s Knesset elections as “important, fateful and dangerous,” saying his alliance was prepared to cooperate with the Jewish opposition without joining its government.
联合名单汇集了蒂比领导的阿拉伯变革运动、争取和平与平等民主阵线以及国家民主集会（即巴拉德）。以色列报纸《马阿里夫》周五发布的一项民调预测，联合名单将赢得9个席位。
The Joint List brings together Tibi’s Arab Movement for Change, the Democratic Front for Peace and Equality and the National Democratic Assembly, known as Balad. A poll published Friday by the Israeli newspaper Maariv projected that it would win nine seats.
蒂比预测，阿拉伯公民的投票率将会上升，他们约占以色列1000多万人口的20%。
Tibi predicted increased turnout among Arab citizens, who account for about 20% of Israel’s population of more than 10 million.
他预计，内塔尼亚胡阵营和犹太反对派均无法获得组建议会多数所需的61个席位，这与各种民意调查一致。
He expected neither Netanyahu’s bloc nor the Jewish opposition to secure the 61 seats required for a parliamentary majority, in line with various opinion polls.
蒂比说：“犹太阵营——反对派和执政联盟——势均力敌。即使加上曼苏尔·阿巴斯领导的统一阿拉伯名单，反对派阵营也只能达到56或57个席位，不足以推翻内塔尼亚胡政府。”统一阿拉伯名单，也称拉姆，由曼苏尔·阿巴斯领导。
“The Jewish blocs — the opposition and the ruling coalition — are evenly matched. Even if the United Arab List, led by Mansour Abbas, is added to the opposition bloc, it would reach only 56 or 57 seats, which would not be enough to bring down Netanyahu’s government,” Tibi said. The United Arab List, also known as Ra’am, is led by Mansour Abbas.
蒂比说：“只有联合名单是那个决定性的名单，能保证推翻本雅明·内塔尼亚胡、（财政部长贝扎莱尔·）斯莫特里奇和（国家安全部长伊塔马尔·）本-格维尔的政府。”
“Only the Joint List is the decisive list that guarantees the removal of the government of Benjamin Netanyahu, (Finance Minister Bezalel) Smotrich and (National Security Minister Itamar) Ben-Gvir,” he said.
“联合名单越强大，推翻这个犯罪、战争和失败的政府——本雅明·内塔尼亚胡政府——就越容易。”蒂比表示，该联盟准备好与犹太反对派合作，阻止内塔尼亚胡组建政府，或继续领导看守政府直到下一次选举。
“The stronger the Joint List, the easier it will be to remove the government of crime, war and failure: Benjamin Netanyahu’s government.”Tibi said the alliance was ready to cooperate with the Jewish opposition to prevent Netanyahu from forming a government or remaining at the head of a caretaker administration until another election.
“内塔尼亚胡将无法组建右翼政府。他想阻止（雅沙尔党领袖加迪·）艾森科特或反对派组建政府，所以他想继续担任看守政府总理，”他说。
“Netanyahu will not be able to form a right-wing government. He wants to prevent (Yashar leader Gadi) Eisenkot or the opposition from forming a government, so he wants to remain prime minister of a caretaker government,” he said.
“我们联合名单愿意并准备好合作，以阻止他继续领导看守政府。从议会角度来看，这是可能的。”他拒绝解释这种情形将如何运作。
“We in the Joint List are willing and ready to cooperate to prevent him from continuing to head a caretaker government. Parliamentarily, this is possible.”He declined to explain how such a scenario would work.
“我不想深入细节。这在议会层面是可能的，联合名单将提供帮助并投赞成票，”他说，并补充说他的联盟是第一个提出罢免克内塞特议长阿米尔·奥哈纳的。
“I do not want to go into the details. This is possible parliamentarily, and the Joint List will help and vote in favor of it,” he said, adding that his alliance had been the first to propose removing Knesset Speaker Amir Ohana.
“我们想同反对派一道投他的（内塔尼亚胡的）反对票，并投反对派的赞成票。这是自然的，但这将改变议会内部现有的游戏规则。”当被问及为前以色列军方首脑艾森科特提供议会“安全网”的条件时，提比表示，任何安排都必须为阿拉伯公民提供保障。
“We want to vote against him (Netanyahu) alongside the opposition and vote in favor of the opposition. This is natural, but it will change the current rules of the game inside parliament.”Asked about the conditions for providing a parliamentary safety net to Eisenkot, a former Israeli military chief, Tibi said any arrangement must provide safeguards for Arab citizens.
“必须为我们的社区和我们的议题提供安全网：犯罪与暴力、人身安全、房屋拆除、卡米尼茨法、停止针对我们的医生、护士、公交司机以及这个国家每一位阿拉伯人的煽动和种族主义，以及大幅增加预算和基础设施，”他说。
“There must be a safety net for our community and our issues: crime and violence, personal security, house demolitions, the Kaminitz Law, an end to incitement and racism against our doctors, our nurses, bus drivers and every Arab in this country, much larger budgets and infrastructure,” he said.
卡米尼茨法涉及对未经授权建筑的执法，包括拆除阿拉伯人的房屋。
The Kaminitz Law concerns enforcement against unauthorized construction, including the demolition of Arab homes.
“我们还想要一个政治远景，这是重要的希望来源。我们将向所有想要我们帮助提供安全网或在议会此处彼处提供投票支持的人提出所有这些问题，”提比说。他强调，这种支持不意味着加入反对派领导的政府。
“We also want a political horizon, which is an important source of hope. We will raise all these issues with anyone who wants us to help provide a safety net or support votes here and there,” Tibi said. He stressed that such support would not mean joining an opposition-led government.
艾森科特曾表示，他想要一个致力于他所谓的“犹太以色列”、并与其政治和安全立场一致的“犹太复国主义政府”。“那是想加入政府的人的事。我们不在那里，”提比说。
Eisenkot has said he wants a “Zionist government” committed to what he described as a “Jewish Israel” and aligned with his political and security positions. “That is for those who want to join the government. We are not there,” Tibi said.
“我们不想为闯入阿克萨清真寺、加沙战争、犹太恐怖主义和定居点活动的持续，或房屋拆除负责。”他说，加入政府或联合将意味着“集体责任”，而其他安排则可能允许在具体问题上合作。
“We do not want to be responsible for incursions into Al-Aqsa Mosque, a war in Gaza, the continuation of Jewish terrorism and settlement activity, or house demolitions.”Joining a government or coalition would entail “collective responsibility,” he said, while other arrangements could allow cooperation on specific issues.
“这将有助于推翻内塔尼亚胡政府，并为一个不那么糟糕的替代政府铺平道路，”他说。
“This will contribute to removing Netanyahu’s government and paving the way for an alternative government that is less bad,” he said.
“下一届政府不会是我们梦想中的政府。它不会是一个和平政府，但它会比内塔尼亚胡、斯莫特里奇和本-格维尔的政府要好一些。”当被问及他是否指由艾森科特领导、在议会内获得“联合名单”支持的少数派政府时，提比拒绝详细说明。
“The next government will not be our dream government. It will not be a government of peace, but it will be less bad than the government of Netanyahu, Smotrich and Ben-Gvir.”Asked whether he meant an Eisenkot-led minority government supported by the Joint List from within the Knesset, Tibi declined to elaborate.
“我们将看数字、看结果、看现任反对派如何表现以及想走哪条路，”他说。
“We will see the numbers, the results, how the current opposition behaves and which direction it wants to take,” he said.
“有人呼吁组建民族团结政府。那将是糟糕的，也不是公众想要的，甚至以色列公众也不想要。所以我们想等一等。我们正在推动推翻这个政府并建立一个替代政府。”提比说，即将到来的选举因现任政府的政策和计划而不同于以往的投票。
“There are those calling for a national unity government. That would be bad, and it is not what the public wants, even the Israeli public. So we want to wait. We are pushing to bring down this government and establish an alternative.”Tibi said the coming election differed from previous votes because of the policies and plans of the current government.
“我们谈论的是一个犯罪和法西斯政府，它已经犯下并计划扩大战争罪行：种族清洗、煽动针对我们在以色列境内社区的仇恨、犯罪泛滥、房屋拆除、被占领土上的犹太恐怖主义以及加沙的战争罪行，”他说。
“We are talking about a criminal and fascist government that has committed and plans to expand war crimes: ethnic cleansing, incitement against our community inside Israel, spreading crime, house demolitions, Jewish terrorism in the occupied territories and war crimes in Gaza,” he said.
他指责斯莫特里奇威胁将定居点政策延伸至加利利，并说斯莫特里奇和本-格维尔威胁要推翻巴勒斯坦权力机构并吞并巴勒斯坦领土。
He accused Smotrich of threatening to extend settlement policies to Galilee and said Smotrich and Ben-Gvir were threatening to bring down the Palestinian Authority and annex Palestinian territory.
提比还警告说，“针对阿拉伯公民的种族主义上升，并将他们视为敌人对待。”“这是对我们生存、未来和集体身份的真实威胁，”他说。
Tibi also warned of “rising racism against Arab citizens and treating them as enemies.”“This is a real threat to our existence, our future and our collective identity,” he said.
“这就是这些选举重要、决定性且危险的原因。我们感到我们的公众成熟而明智，想通过投票来推动变革、发挥影响并自我防卫。”蒂比说，指标显示阿拉伯选民的参与度在上升。
“That is why these elections are important, fateful and dangerous. We sense that our public is mature and wise, and wants to bring about change, exert influence and defend itself through voting.”Tibi said indicators pointed to increased participation among Arab voters.
“投票率呈上升趋势。今天，这一数字为62%。在2022年上一次选举的同一时间点，这一比例是48%，因此差距十分明显，”他说。
“There is an upward trend in turnout. Today, the figure stands at 62%. At the same point before the previous election in 2022, it was 48%, so there is a clear difference,” he said.
“我们希望它至少达到70%。有些城镇将会达到这一水平。”他认为更高的阿拉伯投票率可能帮助将内塔尼亚胡赶下台，并使一两个小的右翼名单跌破选举门槛，并列举了奥弗尔·温特尔和约阿兹·亨德尔的名单为内塔尼亚胡阵营可能的损失。
“We want it to reach at least 70%. Some towns will reach that level.”Higher Arab turnout could help remove Netanyahu from power and push one or two small right-wing lists below the electoral threshold, he argued, naming the lists of Ofer Winter and Yoaz Hendel as potential losses for Netanyahu’s camp.
在被问及增加的阿拉伯参与度也可能动员右翼选民的预期时，蒂比表示犹太选民的投票率可能上升两到四个百分点。
Asked about expectations that increased Arab participation could also mobilize right-wing voters, Tibi said Jewish turnout might rise by two to four percentage points.
“随着阿拉伯参与度的提升，这一上升也有助于把小的右翼名单挤出，”他说。
“Alongside increased Arab participation, this rise also contributes to pushing the small right-wing lists out,” he said.
“这将使本杰明·内塔尼亚胡进一步失去确保对自己有利的决定性结果的可能性。”蒂比概述了几种可能的选后情景，包括由反对派主导的政府、犹太民族团结政府，或内塔尼亚胡继续担任临时政府首脑直至再次选举。
“This will move Benjamin Netanyahu further away from being able to secure a decisive outcome in his favor.”Tibi outlined several possible post-election scenarios, including an opposition-led government, a Jewish national unity government or Netanyahu remaining at the head of a caretaker administration until another election.
“内塔尼亚胡想在临时政府中继续担任总理，并在三月或四月再次举行选举。我们将利用我们作为联合名单的力量来挫败这一情景，”他说。
“Netanyahu wants to remain prime minister of a caretaker government and return to elections again in March or April. We will try to use our strength as the Joint List to thwart this scenario,” he said.
在被问及右翼选举活动将焦点放在阿拉伯人而忽视经济和社会议题时，蒂比指责右翼政客和媒体利用对阿拉伯人的敌意来号召支持者。
Asked about right-wing election campaigns focusing on Arabs at the expense of economic and social issues, Tibi accused right-wing politicians and media outlets of using hostility toward Arabs to rally their supporters.
“最低的共同点就是散布仇恨和煽动针对一切阿拉伯和巴勒斯坦的言论，”他说。
“The lowest common denominator is spreading hatred and incitement against everything Arab and everything Palestinian,” he said.
“这就是为什么右翼频道和右翼政客会煽动针对我们、针对阿拉伯医生、医疗团队、司机和药剂师的情绪，”他说。
“That is why there is incitement against us, against Arab doctors, medical teams, drivers and pharmacists, on right-wing channels and among right-wing politicians.”
“他们相信这种煽动和仇恨将在大选前夕巩固右翼基本盘。这非常危险，威胁到被针对的目标——阿拉伯人，”他补充道。提比还暗示，内塔尼亚胡可能寻求军事对抗以影响政治版图。
“They believe this incitement and hatred will consolidate the right-wing base on the eve of the election. This is very dangerous and threatens those being targeted-- Arabs,” he added. Tibi also suggested Netanyahu might seek a military confrontation to influence the political landscape.
“内塔尼亚胡希望在大选前发动一场战争。如果他能做到，他就会去做。据说特朗普阻止了他这样做，”他补充道。
“Netanyahu would like to launch a war before the election. If he could, he would. It is said that Trump prevented him from doing so,” he added.
“他可能会在大选后这么做，以强行组建民族团结政府。所有这些情景都是可能的。”当被问及一方选举失利是否可能引发内部动荡时，提比警告说，右翼失败可能导致针对阿拉伯领袖、左翼人物或反对派领袖的煽动、威胁和袭击增加。
“He may do it after the election to impose a national unity government. All these scenarios are possible.”Asked whether an election defeat for one side could trigger internal unrest, Tibi warned that a right-wing loss could lead to increased incitement, threats and attacks against Arab leaders, left-wing figures or opposition leaders.
“内塔尼亚胡没有底线。他曾是煽动针对伊扎克·拉宾情绪的帮凶，直到拉宾被杀害，”提比说。
“Netanyahu has no red lines. He was a partner in the incitement against Yitzhak Rabin back then, until he was killed,” Tibi said.
“他还将以更大、更猛烈的力度助推煽动机器。”拉宾是以色列前总理，其工党政府于1993年与巴勒斯坦解放组织签署了《奥斯陆协议》，于1995年11月4日在特拉维夫离开一场和平集会时，被犹太极端分子伊加尔·阿米尔刺杀。这起刺杀案发生在因该协议引发的激烈政治两极分化和右翼抗议之后。提比预测，“联合名单”将赢得至少9个席位。
“He will also fuel the incitement machine at a greater and fiercer pace.”Rabin, a former Israeli prime minister whose Labor government signed the Oslo agreement with the Palestine Liberation Organization in 1993, was assassinated by Jewish extremist Yigal Amir on Nov. 4, 1995, as he left a peace rally in Tel Aviv. The assassination followed intense political polarization and right-wing protests against the agreement. Tibi predicted that the Joint List would win at least nine seats.
“如果阿拉伯公民的投票率上升到70%、71%或72%，我们可能赢得9个或10个席位，”他说。“凭借这些数字，我们将让本雅明·内塔尼亚胡下台。”
“If turnout among Arab citizens rises to 70%, 71% or 72%, we could win nine or 10 seats,” he said. “With those numbers, we will bring down Benjamin Netanyahu.”